PILF Summer Journal Project

The Public Interest Law Foundation awards grants for students to complete summer public interest work. Throughout the summer, students keep journals documenting their experience. News from their real-word experiences provides insight into what it means to do public interest work.

Summer 2013 Participants

Shelby Adsero Shelby Adsero

Intern, King County Bar Association Housing Justice Project (HJP)

Shelby Adsero is interning with the King County Bar Association Housing Justice Project (HJP). Shelby graduated from Pacific Lutheran University in 2012 with a double major in Political Science and Global Studies with a concentration in development and social justice, and a minor in Hispanic studies. She came to law school because she has a passion for helping others. Shelby hopes to either work in public interest or administrative law when she is finished with law school.

HJP is a homelessness prevention program providing accessible volunteer-based legal services to low-income tenants facing eviction in King County. HJP offers free legal clinics in both the King County Courthouse in Seattle and the Maleng Regional Justice Center in Kent. Shelby works primarily in the Kent clinic assisting with client intake, clinic operations, and research. Shelby also has the opportunity to shadow attorneys and observe negotiations and hearings. Shelby works at the Seattle clinic once a week.

Michael AlthauserMichael Althauser

Intern, Northwest Justice Project (Olympia office)

Michael Althauser is currently interning with Northwest Justice Project in their Olympia office, which provides civil legal aid to seniors and low-income Washingtonians seeking assistance. Michael's work will be focused on administrative law, public benefits cases, and housing issues facing residents of south Puget Sound. Prior to interning with Northwest Justice Project, Michael served as a spokesman for the Senate Democratic Caucus in the Washington State Legislature. An Olympia native, Michael is excited to be back in his hometown.

Shantrice AndersonShantrice Anderson

Law clerk, Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia

Public Defender Service provides quality legal representation to defendants in Washington, D.C through a team of attorneys, investigators, and staff. The organization began in 1960 when Congress established the Legal Aid Agency for the District of Columbia under the District of Columbia Legal Aid Agency Act for the purpose of representing poor people who could not afford an attorney in criminal, juvenile, and mental health proceedings. The Public Defender Service provides attorneys in the following divisions: Trial, Juvenile Trial, Special Litigation, Civil, Mental Health, Juvenile Services, and Parole. The Public Defender Service is a federally funded, independent, legal organization that handles the more complex, resource-intensive adult and juvenile cases in D.C.

Sophia ChangSophia Chang

Clerk, Los Angeles County Public Defender's Office

Sophia Chang will be clerking for the Los Angeles County Public Defender's Office. At this office, attorneys and other staff render legal services to individuals who have been accused of public offenses. She will be assisting attorneys with litigation of wrongful convictions primarily resulting from police misconduct. As a law clerk, she will assist public defenders in various ways through the opportunity to observe and participate in client interviews, case strategy meetings, court proceedings, filing motions and subpoenas.

Working in public defense has always been her goal since her undergraduate and graduate education. Completing her master's degree in Criminology raised her awareness of the disregard of underrepresented individuals by society due to their past mistakes. Her education and training at Seattle University, combined with her position at the Public Defender's office, will build her skills and experiences to advocate for and empower underserved communities to achieve equity and social justice.

Philip ChinnPhilip Chinn

Law clerk, The Public Defender Service

Philip Chinn is a law clerk at The Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia (PDS). PDS represents indigent adults charged with felonies in Washington, D.C., as well as providing representation for indigent juveniles charged with offenses. PDS also represents indigent people on appeal, in parole hearings, and in some civil matters such as civil commitment cases, among others. PDS also undertakes systemic litigation aimed at correcting unfair and unconstitutional practices in the court system that affect its clients. Philip will be working in the trial division under the supervision of a trial attorney to conduct legal research, write briefs and motions, and assist in trial preparation. Philip's goal after law school is to become a public defender, and he is excited to have the opportunity to clerk at a nationally renowned public defender agency.

Philip is a (nearly) life-long resident of the Seattle area and graduated from The Evergreen State College, where he studied social sciences.

David CoombsDavid Coombs

Intern, Snohomish County Legal Services

David Coombs is interning with Snohomish County Legal Services (SCLS) in Everett, Wash. SCLS is a free legal aid program serving Snohomish County residents experiencing poverty. The staff, pro bono attorneys, and volunteers provide information, advice, and legal representation to ensure meaningful access to justice regardless of individual barriers and needs. David will contribute to housing and family law work with a focus on foreclosure and eviction cases. He is particularly excited to assist tenants through the Housing Justice Project, a program that provides legal advice and limited representation to individuals facing eviction. David grew up in Kenmore, Wash., and graduated from Grinnell College in Iowa.

Fatima DilekFatima Dilek

Intern, Corporation for Enterprise Development

Fatima Dilek is a legal intern at Corporation for Enterprise Development (CFED) in Washington, D.C. CFED is a non-profit organization that empowers low- and moderate-income households by advancing policies and programs that help them buy homes, pursue higher education, become entrepreneurs, and save for the future. As an intern, Fatima is responsible for in-depth state and local policy research and analysis, conduct background research on data compilation, as well as assist in state and local policy communication through memos, blog postings, policy guides, and webinars.

Fatima was born and raised in Germany as a Turkish minority and is dedicated to serve her community. She graduated from the University of Washington with a degree in Political Science. Fatima is very excited about gaining invaluable experience at CFED and this opportunity to spend the summer in D.C.

Tyler FarmerTyler Farmer

Intern, Sound Legal Advocacy, LLC

Tyler Farmer will be an intern at Sound Legal Advocacy, LLC (SLA) based in Gig Harbor, Wash. While SLA is the general, solo practice of attorney Emily Howlett, Farmer will focus on Indian Law and perform legal work for indigent Indian clients. SLA contracts with several tribes in the Puget Sound region, including the Snoqualmie, Suquamish, Port Gamble S'Klallam, Chehalis, Puyallup, Muckleshoot, and Tulalip. Indian law matters include criminal defense, family law, hunting or fishing violations, and Indian Child Welfare Act dependency cases, including ICWA issues and cross-over matters in state court.

Farmer will perform legal research concerning Washington state, federal and Indian case law and will draft memos and motions. He will also assist with trial preparation and help throughout all phases of litigation. Farmer is a 2009 graduate from the University of Washington and holds a bachelor's degree in English, a bachelor's degree in Community, Environment, and Planning, and a minor in Architecture.

Clare FitzpatrickClare Fitzpatrick

Intern, Tacoma-Pierce County Volunteer Legal Services

Clare Fitzpatrick will be interning at Tacoma-Pierce County Volunteer Legal Services this summer. The mission of Volunteer Legal Services is to facilitate access to volunteer attorney advice and representation, as well as provide self-help materials and general legal information for low-income individuals who have civil legal needs in Pierce County, Wash. As an intern Clare will do client intakes, schedule client appointments, maintain online database records, facilitate on- and off-site clinics, work with non-English-speaking clients to complete paperwork and accompany clients to the courthouse to file papers and obtain ex parte orders.

Clare is from Austin, Texas, and attended college at Boston University. Advocating for equal access to rights and services is what led her to law school and she looks forward to learning and expanding her awareness and ability to serve.

Leticia HernandezLeticia Hernández

Intern, Northwest Immigrant Rights Project

Leticia Hernández is an intern at the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project (NWIRP) in Seattle, where she assists in providing legal aid to indigent immigrants by pursuing and defending their legal status. Leticia has a full caseload working on immigration petitions that stem from the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA). In the VAWA unit, she assists immigrant survivors of domestic violence, sexual assault, trafficking, and other violent crimes in gaining lawful status in the United States. Upon completion of her internship, she will have filed numerous petitions for relief with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

Leticia has a personal connection to the work; she was an immigrant to this country and knows from direct experience the many obstacles and lack of legal resources available to the immigrant community. She hopes to use her law degree to advocate for policies that will empower the immigrant community. Leticia received her degree from Portland State University where she majored in Women's Studies and minored in Pre-Law. In her downtime, she enjoys teaching and learning from her 7-year-old daughter.

Alexandra KainAlexandra Kain

Intern, Seattle Community Law Center

Alexandra Kain is interning at Seattle Community Law Center (SCLC) this summer with their Social Security Advocacy Project. SCLC is a local non-profit legal aid organization that provides social security advocacy for people with disabilities who are homeless or low income. The Social Security Advocacy Project specifically works with individuals facing disputes with the Social Security Administration regarding their eligibility for benefits. Alex is working in a variety of capacities from client intakes to legal research and brief writing. Alex is also working in their weekly Overpayment Clinic, assisting clients who have been notified by Social Security that they have been overpaid and must repay their benefits. Finally, Alex is also attending personal conferences with clients at their local Social Security offices and hearings before Administrative Law Judges.

Kristin KellyKristin Kelly

Intern, Racial Disparity Project

Kristin Kelly is interning at the Racial Disparity Project (RDP), a grant-funded project at the Defender Association aimed at reducing racial bias in criminal justice through community organization, public education, and legal advocacy. Since 2001, RDP has focused primarily on racially disproportionate drug enforcement in Seattle and reducing the harm caused by current law enforcement approaches, working in close alliance with grassroots organizations that serve Seattle’s communities of color.

Kristin’s internship is a combination of policy work, lobbying and assisting with civil and criminal cases where RPD is providing individual representation to people in a host of legal issues including housing, child support, and relicensing, as well as criminal cases outside the King County Prosecutor's and City Attorney's jurisdictions. Reducing institutionalized racism and racial bias are at the center of Kristin’s career goals and her reason for entering law school.

Elizabeth LeemonElizabeth Leemon

Intern, National Labor Relations Board

Elizabeth Leemon is working as a summer intern with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in Region 19, Seattle. Elizabeth's responsibilities will include helping clients with workplace grievances by identifying and prioritizing important facts and presenting these facts to her supervisors along with recommendations for action. During the summer Elizabeth will participate in organizing and drafting settlement agreements and will be involved in all aspects of the trial process, including writing, researching, and assisting during trial. The NLRB directs union representative elections which Elizabeth hopes to observe and contribute in process. Elizabeth is very excited to start her career in the labor and employment field and is looking forward to working in the federal government and learning about how labor organizations, workers, and employers interact in a real-world context. Elizabeth is thankful that PILF has given her great opportunity.

Molly LindquistMolly Lindquist

Intern, Family Law Unit, Northwest Justice Project

Molly Lindquist is a Rule 9 Legal Intern in the Family Law Unit at Northwest Justice Project (NJP). NJP provides free civil legal assistance and representation to low-income people and communities throughout Washington. Its mission is to secure justice through high-quality legal advocacy that promotes the well-being of low-income individuals, families, and communities. Molly works exclusively with survivors of domestic violence on legal issues such as dissolution, spousal maintenance, and child visitation. She's currently preparing for her first trial, where she will be representing a client in a dissolution case.

Erin McIntireErin McIntire

Fellow, Congressional Black Caucus

Erin McIntire will spend this summer working as a Legal Fellow for the Congressional Black Caucus on Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. The Congressional Black Caucus advocates for legislation that best serves the social and economic interests of African-Americans and neglected communities within the United States. Primarily, the Congressional Black Caucus supports legislation that supports fairness and equality for African-Americans. Under the 113th Congress, the Congressional Black Caucus will work towards diminishing poverty, protecting the Voting Rights Act by modernizing the voting system to serve all voters, comprehensive immigration reform that includes immigrants of African descent within the debate, education reform, and health care reform. As a Legal Fellow, Erin will have the opportunity to research proposed and enacted legislation within these different areas, as well as write about the impact of such legislation. Erin is truly excited for a hot and busy summer on Capitol Hill.

Edwardo MorfinEdwardo Morfin

Northwest Immigrant Rights Project

Edwardo Morfin is working for the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project (NWIRP) helping undocumented immigrants obtain legal status in the United States. Morfin helps with U visa applications, which is relief for crime victims who are helpful in the investigation and prosecution of the crime (mostly domestic violence); DACA applications, which is deferred action for childhood arrivals; and asylum cases, in which the persons seeking relief cannot return to their country of origin due to fear of persecution.

Morfin is interested in immigration law because his parents immigrated from Mexico to the U.S. for no other reason than to work hard and give their children a better life. They went through the immigration process and eventually naturalized. He thinks it's wrong to deny people the opportunity to better their situation by allowing them to stay in the U.S. and work hard as productive members of society and exclude and ostracize them based on their "legal" status.

Dougal NeralichDougal Neralich

Public Defender Agency in Anchorage

Dougal Neralich feels fortunate enough to be allowed to return to Anchorage, Alaska this summer to work in the Public Defender Agency. Last summer he worked for the Municipality of Anchorage in the civil division doing research and writing memos for attorneys defending the municipality against suit from citizens. This year he will be pursuing his passion for criminal law and defending marginalized and underrepresented populations. Dougal will be working under the supervision of public defenders and will be doing daily bail hearings, change of plea hearings, and will be sitting second chair on at least one criminal trial over the summer. His past work experience with at-risk and homeless youth led him to law school and he is excited to pursue his passion by representing the underprivileged in court proceedings.

Colleen Pe BenitoColleen Pe Benito

Intern, Unemployment Law Project

Colleen Pe Benito is interning at the Unemployment Law Project (ULP) located in Seattle. ULP provides free legal services to individuals in Washington State who have been denied unemployment benefits or whose award of benefits has been challenged. As an intern, Colleen will gain experience conducting client intake interviews, representing clients in administrative hearings, and filing petitions for review. Colleen is looking forward to this opportunity because she will be able to work with a diverse group of clients and also utilize the practical skills she has learned through various classes at Seattle University. Colleen is from south Seattle and received her BA from the University of Washington. She majored in psychology with a minor in diversity studies.

Melanie PughMelanie Pugh

Harvard Food Law and Policy Clinic

Melanie Pugh is working at Harvard's Food Law and Policy Clinic (FLPC). The FLPC is part of the Harvard Law School's Legal Services Center in Jamaica Plain, Mass., which trains law students and assists underrepresented communities. Current projects investigate prevention of type 2 diabetes, urban food initiatives, food access issues, food waste, and local procurement laws. Melanie will research the unique barriers that the FLPC's clients face in improving their food systems. Ultimately, Melanie wants to learn the best practices of the various food movements, and implement them back in the Pacific Northwest.

Rachel ReedRachel Reed

Intern, Disability Rights Washington

Rachel Reed will be interning for Disability Rights Washington, a nonprofit organization that protects the rights of individuals with disabilities through information and referral services, self-advocacy strategies, rights publications, policy analysis, community education, direct advocacy, and legal representation. As part of a statewide investigation into the services provided to individuals with developmental disabilities in nursing facilities, Rachel will be conducting interviews and inspecting records at nursing facilities in the community and in three of the state’s large institutions. Rachel will also analyze the eligibility standards for people with developmental disabilities in Washington and will conduct legal research into the eligibility standards for services provided by other state’s developmental disability agencies.

Rachel is from Houston, Texas, and graduated from the University of Houston with a degree in English Linguistics with an emphasis in sociolinguistics. She spent the following two years working on a master's in Humanities and Women's Studies before moving to Seattle last summer.

Anna RendesAnna Rendes

Seattle Community Law Center

Anna Rendes is working this summer at the Seattle Community Law Center (SCLC). SCLC is a nonprofit legal aid organization dedicated to providing accessible legal advocacy to people living with physical and mental disabilities so that they may obtain the resources necessary to overcome barriers to financial and medical stability. Anna is working for the Social Security Advocacy Project, which provides legal advice, advocacy, referral and direct legal representation to low-income individuals facing disputes with the Social Security Administration regarding their benefits. After graduating from college, Anna worked in a disability services organization where she came to appreciate the obstacles adults with disabilities and mental illness encounter in accessing housing, employment, government benefits, and the justice system. Realizing the importance of support within the system inspired her to attend law school and she is excited to be a part of advocating for clients' access to essential resources this summer.

Kelsey RylandKelsey Ryland

Intern, Legal Voice

Kelsey Ryland will be a summer intern at Legal Voice. Legal Voice pursues justice for all women and girls in the Northwest through ground-breaking litigation, legislative advocacy, and educational tools to help people understand their rights and the legal system. Legal Voice’s mission is to ensure that all women and girls have these fundamental rights: to equal treatment and to be free from discrimination; to decide when and how to form and maintain their families; to be safe wherever they are; to economic equality and independence; and to be healthy and active. As a summer intern Kelsey will primarily spend time on legal research projects, writing legal memoranda, and participate in ongoing investigation into regional issues affecting women’s rights.

Kelsey was a domestic violence advocate with AmeriCorps for two years before coming to law school and interned with National Network to End Domestic Violence in Washington, D.C. last summer. Kelsey hopes to practice public interest law after graduation, working with the intersections of domestic violence and reproductive justice.

Amanda SchemkesAmanda Schemkes

Intern, Civil Liberties Defense Center

Amanda Schemkes will be a summer intern at the Civil Liberties Defense Center, a Eugene-based nonprofit organization that is dedicated to providing legal representation to activists, primarily animal rights and environmental activists; educating activists about their rights; and defending civil liberties against government attacks. The internship tasks include legal research; writing memos and briefs; shadowing the supervising attorney in the office, court, depositions, and field work; and assisting with educational trainings for activists. Amanda has been involved in grassroots animal rights activism for several years and that experience inspired her to want to become an activist attorney. Her summer position with the CLDC will directly train her for the work she wants to do for the animal liberation movement — for the activists and the exploited animals they are working to save.

Michael SchuelerMichael Schueler

Intern, Associated Counsel for the Accused

Michael Schueler is Rule 9 Legal Intern at Associated Counsel for the Accused's felony division in Kent, Wash. ACA is one of four public defense agencies serving King County's criminal justice system. Michael will work on various research projects as well as drafting numerous motions and other briefings to be submitted to the court. Michael also will work directly with attorneys at trial and other proceedings including arraignment and bail/bond hearings, motions hearings, sentencing hearings, and possibly conducting direct or cross-examination at trial. Michael also will have extended contact with clients and will help conduct interviews with these clients.

Since before law school, Michael has been interested in becoming a public defender. Working with a felony unit in the biggest county in Washington will allow Michael to see what it really is like to be a public defender. Beyond this, Michael has a drive to help those facing difficult life situations, and working as a public defender will allow him to provide tangible benefits to people facing serious legal issues.

Robert SeplerRobert Sepler

Intern, Housing Justice Project

Robert Sepler is an intern with the Housing Justice Project's Kent office. The Housing Justice Project (HJP) is administered by the King County Bar Association's Pro Bono Services and is a volunteer-based eviction defense clinic for low-income residential tenants. HJP provides high-quality, same-day legal help including advice, negotiations, and representation for eviction hearings at the King County Superior Courthouses. This summer, Robert will be engaged in facilitating the day-to-day operations of the clinic. In this capacity, Robert will help open the clinic, perform client intake, and provide support to the volunteer attorneys. Robert will also undertake independent research on problems often encountered by HJP clients. He hopes to gain experience working directly with clients while helping to make a difference in his community. He is also very excited about working with HJP's dedicated staff and volunteers.

Naomi Simila-DickinsonNaomi Simila-Dickinson

Intern, Northwest Justice Project, Olympia

Naomi Simila-Dickinson will be interning with Northwest Justice Project (NJP) in Olympia. The Olympia branch of NJP primarily focuses on family law (specifically domestic violence), housing issues such as prevention of evictions and protection subsidized housing, equal employment opportunity issues, and denial and termination of public benefits. Naomi will primarily work with the Spanish-speaking staff attorney and assist with monolingual Spanish-speaking clients. The work will involve anything from assessing what clients need to working with them on documents. Additionally, she will help clients with U visa applications to obtain status. Interns work with clients as much as possible, conduct research, write memos and help draft pleadings. Ms. Simila-Dickinson values public service, and has previously served in Jordan with the Peace Corps. She is excited to give back to Olympia and learn about the public interest field of law.

Jordan TarenJordan Taren

Intern, Housing Justice Project

Jordan Taren is an intern with the King County Bar Association Pro Bono Services' Housing Justice Project (HJP). As an intern Jordan is assisting at the HJP clinic that is run out of the King County courthouse. HJP is a homelessness prevention program that offers free legal counsel, advice and limited representation to low-income tenants who are dealing with the unlawful detainer eviction process. Jordan's responsibilities include interviewing clients and completing intakes to prepare the volunteer attorneys to assist the tenants. Other responsibilities include following the attorneys through the representation process including negotiations with opposing counsel and representing tenants at their show-cause hearings. Housing issues have always been important to Jordan; before attending Seattle University School of Law he worked as the Director of Compliance at a fair housing center in Chicago.

Shubhdeep ToorShubhdeep Toor

Legal Intern, CENTS Programs

Shubhdeep Toor developed an early interest in law after interning for a county prosecutor's office. However, he attended college during one of the worst economic recessions ever seen. He decided to change his major to finance to learn about the complexities that were behind the economic downturn. That desire to learn about what caused collapse of large banks and insurance companies eventually developed into a passion for investing and economics. By starting his legal career with CENTS, which helps clients to take control of their financial situation by making fully informed decisions, he hopes to learn of the various ways he can combine his passions of finance and law.

He moved to Washington several years ago to be closer to family in Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. During his spare time, he enjoys reading autobiographies, playing sports, and spending time with his niece and nephew.

Jayme TurlaJayme Turla

Intern, U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

Jayme Turla is interning at the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) this summer. Jayme will be interning alongside attorneys and investigators in enforcing federal laws that make it illegal to discriminate against a job applicant or an employee because of a person's race, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age, disability or genetic information. Jayme will be working on investigative planning and development, case analysis, writing disposition recommendations, and conducting legal research. Jayme looks forward to gaining firsthand experience in client interaction and promoting the mission of the EEOC.

Hannah WeaverHannah Weaver

Intern, Unemployment Law Project

Hannah Weaver is interning at the Unemployment Law Project (ULP), a not-for-profit law firm that assists individuals who have been denied unemployment benefits, or whose benefits have been challenged. At ULP, Hannah will have the opportunity to interview potential clients, participate in case review meetings to decide which cases ULP will take on, and represent clients in administrative hearings. She is looking forward to gaining valuable hands-on experience while making a direct impact in clients' lives. Hannah graduated from the University of Washington in 2012 with a degree in history. She is particularly interested in labor and employment law, and hopes that she can take the skills from her internship and apply them to a career in public service.

Nicholas WhitakerNicholas Whitaker

Summer associate, Crag Law Center

Nicholas Whitaker is a summer associate at Crag Law Center in Portland, Ore. Crag is a non-profit environmental law center that works with community members and conservation groups on legal issues pertaining to environmental matters. Crag's work is geared towards promoting fiscally responsible environmental conservation and sustainable natural resource management by increasing the capacity of its clients to achieve their own missions. As a summer associate, Nicholas works closely with a supervising staff attorney to help carry out Crag's work. Nicholas has been able to sit in on mediation sessions with a district court judge, participate in conference calls with multiple conservation groups, and research and draft documents on multiple environmental issues. Nicholas's work at Crag is providing him excellent legal experience while allowing him to experience what life is like for a public interest environmental lawyer.

Alison WrightAlison Wright

Intern, Environmental Defenders Law Center

Alison Wright will be interning for Environmental Defenders Law Center (EDLC), a nonprofit law organization that works to protect the human rights of individuals and communities in developing countries who are fighting against harm to their environment. EDLC supports communities and activists by securing pro bono representation, providing legal resources, filing friends of the court briefs in foreign and regional courts, and offering grants for legal action. Alison's work as an intern will involve research for cases in the U.S. and in foreign courts related to environmental pollution in communities, corporate accountability for human rights and environmental abuses, and human rights violations against environmental activists. This internship builds on experience Alison gained during six years in the international non-profit sector, working for organizations that fund social justice and environmental initiatives in the developing world.

Hannah ZommickHannah Zommick

Bet Tzedek Legal Services

This summer, Hannah Zommick is working for Bet Tzedek Legal Services, located in Los Angeles, Calif. She is working in the Government Benefits department. Bet Tzedek provides free legal advice and representation to low-income residents of Los Angeles County and has served over 15,000 low-income Los Angeles residents in the last year alone. In the Government Benefits department, Bet Tzedek represents clients who have been denied benefits or whose benefits have been improperly reduced or terminated. Hannah will be working on all aspects of such benefit cases, from client intakes and interviews to preparing memos and briefs for administrative hearings and appeals.

After law school, Hannah hopes to continue to work in a public benefits-related career and plans to use the experience she gains over the summer to advocate for greater access to representation in this often complex but very important area of law.

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